Not when the rules say you cannot have nitrous on the bike at all!! So he didn't have a heavy wheel, huh? Anyway my point was more about how someone playing three card monty with rulebook affects those who play by the rules!! Take it how you like. It is what it is!!
your excactly right, it is what it is, but it would be apprciated if you would keep my name, and my dads name out of your mouth. Because clearly you have no idea what you are talking about, because you have no idea what our wheel weighed nor anything else about our program.and FYI in 2003 when we ran the blackbird you were allowed to have nitrous on the bikes, it wasnt until later did they make that rule. so do your research before you come out and accuse people of things
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"HEADLIGHTS: Factory headlight systems matching the bike model must be used. All of the original factory glass or plastic lenses must be used, may not be painted or wrapped, and must be mounted in the original location in the front fairing (or headlight bucket on non-faired bikes).
I do believe gen 2 hayabusa's have a different model designation than gen 1 busas...I sure hope no one is using gen 2 bodywork on a gen 1 because that woudl be a grey area....
Then why can't the rules just say that? There not very clear on the wording. It's to late now to say you gotta run oem busa forks look how many guys run the 1k forks to use a ligther fork.
Thay can be ligther, but thay can't be heavier and thay don't have to be Busa forks but if you are racing a Busa the forks have weigth the same are less of the year that you are racing
But thay do need to make that a little more clear (forks may not be heavier than industry-standard OEM sport bike forks) thay need to take out (industry-standard) and put in year and models
If they were in fact zx9 forks that had nothing more than normal mods done to them, I applaud you Ronnie for building an excellent bike. There is absolutely no way that the bike should have been disqualified.
There is no unsportsmanlike intent to doing research and finding alternatives to make a bike perform better within the rules.
Quite frankly, if tech is going to disallow grey area interpretation then they need to have a pre-qualifing tech session prior to the event start and start sealing parts similar to what is done in alot or harley racing. I am not saying it should be done this way, but tech and the rule book writers need to step it up.
The tech inspector obviously knew what the max weight of the forks should be prior to weighing the forks or they woudl not have known they were illegal. Since AMA dragbike had knowledge as to what the maximum weight of the parts was, all of the criterion for which a bike can be disqualified should be disclosed in the rulebook, plain and simple. If anything, AMA dragbike and the tech officials are working in the grey area by NOT disclosing the information to which they obviously know about the bikes.
Lets assume Suzuki does what was done by US auto manufacturers in the 60's and 70's and releases a handful of "special" hayabusa's throughout the world. Lets also say these bikes had 54 lb forks on them, altered rake, altered swingarm pivots, etc. Can everyone make their bike's forks weigh 54 lbs, so long as it is a hayabusa? Seems it should be legal...
Anyone checking bike frme numberrs to be sure the headlight and bodywork is representitive of the proper year bike?
What if someone built a zx-10....could they use 1989 zx-10 forks? After all, they came from a zx-10....
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I can see the perdiciment. And I can see how it can be argued on both sides (tech side and Ronnie's side).
If the rule is worded that forks can't weigh more than the OEM forks on that bike, then bikes like Brad Mummert can't run GSXR forks on his bike because they are hevaier than the GS forks.
Maybe it would be best to just give a leg, just like they do for the front wheel assembly. Then its crystal clear.
2x that Thay will be best way(maximum weight for each fork )
Then why can't the rules just say that? There not very clear on the wording. It's to late now to say you gotta run oem busa forks look how many guys run the 1k forks to use a ligther fork.
It does really say that, just doesnt "spell" it out word for word. I dont know how many guys are even using 1000 forks anymore. One the triple-tree revolution started, you can get them now for busa forks too... Even then, the 1000 forks are lighter, not heavier... And they are OEM forks as well...
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It does really say that, just doesnt "spell" it out word for word. I dont know how many guys are even using 1000 forks anymore. One the triple-tree revolution started, you can get them now for busa forks too... Even then, the 1000 forks are lighter, not heavier... And they are OEM forks as well...
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You are right Ronnie. EXCEPT, that ZX-9 forks were not OEM on the haybausa... Just like if you decided to purchase a custom Trac front end or have a set of completely "custom" forks made. They cannot weight more than the Hayabusa forks. So if Hayabusa forks weigh 10# each, and the ZX-9 forks weigh 14#, thats 4# HEAVIER. Now, if the ZX-9 forks are 10#, you are good to go...
Pinky looks unreal!! Just put the 1000/Busa forks on it and go racing...
If that's the case, it needs to say for that specific year model bike...
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"HEADLIGHTS: Factory headlight systems matching the bike model must be used. All of the original factory glass or plastic lenses must be used, may not be painted or wrapped, and must be mounted in the original location in the front fairing (or headlight bucket on non-faired bikes).
I do believe gen 2 hayabusa's have a different model designation than gen 1 busas...I sure hope no one is using gen 2 bodywork on a gen 1 because that woudl be a grey area....
I kinda wondered that myself looking threw the rulebook eariler. I saw where some guys put 08+ bodywork on their bikes. I believe steve jester said just because you put new bodywork on the bike doesn't make it new a few years ago. (because people asked him why he didnt put 08 bodywork on his psb)
I wonder if we checked the vins how many are actually 08 and newer.
I wonder if we checked the vins how many are actually 08 and newer.
You know what's funny, is it would take all of 3 seconds per bike to tell if they are 08 or newer Busa frames. I know one thing off the top of my head that is a dead giveaway between Gen 1 and Gen 2, not to mention the good old tenth digit of the VIN.
Here's an interesting twist for you to throw around, part of the issue seems to be that it isn't clearly defined and these are not Suzuki forks. GSXR forks are OK tho. Well what if those ZX9 forks were on a Kawasaki Pro street bike, would they be OK then? If GSXR forks are OK on the Busa, why wouldnt ZX9 forks be OK on a ZX14??
I kinda wondered that myself looking threw the rulebook eariler. I saw where some guys put 08+ bodywork on their bikes. I believe steve jester said just because you put new bodywork on the bike doesn't make it new a few years ago. (because people asked him why he didnt put 08 bodywork on his psb)
I wonder if we checked the vins how many are actually 08 and newer.
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